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Words to live by...

"How beautiful it is to do nothing, and to rest afterward."

[Spanish Proverb]

Ius luxuriae publice datum est

(The right to looseness has been officially given)

"Everyone carries a part of society on his shoulders," wrote Ludwig von Mises, "no one is relieved of his share of responsibility by others. And no one can find a safe way for himself if society is sweeping towards destruction. Therefore everyone, in his own interest, must thrust himself vigorously into the intellectual battle."

Apparently, the crossword puzzle that disappeared from the blog, came back.


Saturday, July 20, 2013

Thoughts on Immigration


I have been thinking a little about immigration lately. It's a touchy subject, I know, but that doesn't mean I should ignore it. I can't anyway. I cannot ignore any thoughts that come into my head. Sometimes I wish I could but...

I am in favor of immigration. I have had many friends who immigrated to this country and met many people when I was out of this country who wanted to immigrate here. Fine people, all of them, a number of them quite pretty and friendly. But let's not go there...

But it dawned on me that I don't know much about immigration, legal or illegal. One of the things I didn't know is what nationalities are immigrating here. So I went looking. and this is what I found:

Legal immigrants by nationality (top ten):
Country               #                     % of total
Mexico          276,550                  14.8%
India              110,193                    5.9%
China            101,368                    5.4%
Philippines      98,963                    5.3%

The other 6 are each under 4% of the total.

Then there's the illegal immigrants
Mexico           6,650,000         61.9%

The rest of the top ten countries are each less than 4%. If you are wondering why the numbers are small, it's because the data is from 2009.

I found the data at this site: http://blog.ohmygov.com/blogs/general_news/archive/2010/05/14/top-10-legal-and-illegal-immigrant-nationalities-in-the-u-s.aspx

I came across it after Googling "illegal immigration by nationality." I tried "immigration by nationality" but that didn't give me any results that fit with what I wanted to know. Instead I got a lot of hits about "the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952" which provided neither timely nor useful data for my purposes.

I lived in Dade County (now called Miami-Dade County) in the late 50's and early 60's. Immigration was not a big issue then. After the Cuban Revolution, we began to get a big influx of Cuban immigrants. The first influx was mostly middle class and above; mostly doctors, lawyers, and other professionals along with businessman of some level of affluence. But they brought no money with them. A few had money stashed in our banks but not enough to matter. Most arrived with just the clothes on their backs. After that, the influx was mostly made up of the poorer members of Cuban society.

The black population quickly resented their presence. This was because the new immigrants took jobs away from them. The new immigrants became a cheap labor source for lawn services and other menial work, undercutting even the poor wages given to blacks in those days.  The Florida branch of the AMA demanded almost impossible requirements for those that had been physicians in Cuba to prevent them from easily entering the medical profession in Florida and becoming competition for the state's existing medical professionals. I don't recall but I would bet the same happened for nurses, lawyers, and all other professional occupations. The small businessmen ran into the usual restrictions and regulations that have always plagued small businessmen. And, of course, getting loans was even tougher for them than people who had lived here all their lives or, at least, had been here long enough to establish good credit.

When I was an usher at age 17, the theater hired a man as a doorman. It turned out that he had been a doctor in Cuba and had made the journey in a leaky boat from Cuba, a journey that cost him his entire savings, to escape the land of his birth. But he found he could not practice medicine here unless he completed a couple of years of med school. He was not a young man, somewhere in his 60's (maybe late 60's, I do not recall) and did not have strong command of the English language. So he looked for and took what jobs he could... including a $1 an hour doorman's job.

I had had several Cuban friends in school. Good kids, lots of fun, and as crazy as I was in those days.  A couple were close friends. They got a bit of grief from the ignorant and cruel kids but nothing too serious and they were generally accepted.

But all of these were legal immigrants. I did not know about the migrant workers who traveled up from Mexico and followed the crop harvests through the southeast states. I had heard about them and, occasionally, saw them in the orange groves but didn't get to know any of them personally. I was oblivious to the discrimination they faced until I went in the Navy at age 19 and found myself in California.

I detest discrimination. But I am concerned about illegal immigration. I do not think anyone should be given "a path to citizenship" if they entered the country illegally. 


9 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hi Donald,

I have been reading your blog for quite a while but I am not sure if I have ever commented.

Question: How do you know that they were legal?

Patti

Douglas said...

Patti, the numbers of legals is, presumably, accurate (there is a "paper" trail for them). The number of illegal immigrants is, obviously, an estimate.

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant how did you know the people that you knew were legal?

I've actually wondered that about a lot of people. How do we really know who is legal or not legal.

A lady that I work with said "you know, we just need to stop immigration". I said "weren't your parents immigrants? You're a first generation citizen." She looked at me blankly and said "oh yeah"

So, how would she know if her own parents were legal or not?

The doctor with the leaky boat might have been illegal. Who knows?

Patti

Douglas said...

Patti, one of the things that I have run into over the years is something called "ignorance." That word has some nasty connotations but, in reality, just means "uninformed." In your case, you do not understand that there is granting legal immigration status to any Cuban national who makes it to dry land (often referred to as "dry foot, wet foot" (you might "google that). Most of my Cuban friends had arrived well before the Cuban Revolution and simply stayed. Some arrived later, like that doctor.

I noticed that the woman you spoke of did not say "illegal immigration" (or, perhaps she did and you left it out). There is a big difference. For instance, my paternal grandfather emigrated from Belfast in 1917. Quite legal, registered on Ellis Island and all that. Married my paternal grandmother a year or two later. Her family goes back to the Mayflower. On my mother's side, her maternal grandfather emigrated from France in the late 1800's.

So, to answer your question of "Who knows?"... I do.

And now so do you.

Anonymous said...

Wow, again I am sorry. I didn't mean to strike a cord. I am well aware of making it to shore and being "safe". I grew up in Miami and went to school around the same time as you. I remember the kids coming to school and being scared and speaking little English.

I wasn't even referring to Cuban nationals as a whole but now that you bring it up I will. Why would a Cuban who came in the dark of night be granted legal immigration status because their boat happened to make it to shore but Mexicans crossing the border should be deported?

I was asking a sincere question. Who really knows the status of the people that we meet who are not born here?

In my friends case, no she didn't say "illegal". She made a blatant statement that we need to stop immigration. That is what made me mention her parents.If she had said we need to stop illegal immigration I would have agreed with her.

My father's grandparents immigrated from France through Ellis Island. All nice and legal. My mom's family didn't come over on the Mayflower but they did come on a ship called the Lavinia from Ireland. She was named after that ship and hated the name.

Oh, and Douglas, I am neither ignorant nor uninformed.

Patti



Douglas said...

If you are informed about the immigration status of Cubans then you know the answer to your first question. Whether we like it or not, where you emigrate from is important. Currently (since 1995) there is an important distinction regarding Cuban immigrants. Those Cubans who are caught at sea are treated like illegal aliens. Those who make it to dry land are given refugee status.

If you lived in Dade County at that time, you knew that or could have learned it.

You may not be uninformed, I don't know, but you asked questions that indicated you were uninformed about the law and policy at the time. And you continue to ask questions that, being informed, you could easily answer for yourself.

I think it was I who struck a cord in you. For instance, that co-worker you spoke of? I did not accuse you of leaving out a word, I had no idea what her phrasing was. I merely said "perhaps" you left that word out. I have only your word and I assume you are human and, therefore, capable of leaving things out that do not support whatever position you might have. And I think I understand your position. Mine is simple: we cannot afford to have open borders. We started closing them in the 1875 and we were well behind other countries in doing so. It was primarily aimed at Chinese laborers (most of whom were imported to work on the railroads).
Please do not get offended by my remarks about "ignorance" or being "uninformed", it is no crime to be either. However, an apparent lack of knowledge can seem offensive to to someone if they are being questioned.

T.C. said...

Ignorance is not a bad word. It can get ugly when people decide to act ignorant in the face of facts and reality though. See Zimmerman. There's an awful lot of cherry- picking of the facts in that case and it's frightening. Opportunists like Sharpton and Jackson don't help at all.

As for your post, it's interesting. I agree no one should be given a path for knowingly breaking the law but it's a dicey one for sure.

There's compassion - which is what nations like American and Canada possess - and then there's being a fool.

Interestingly enough, I've decided to join a group of investors in the medical research field in Florida. The point person is a friend of our family and is...Cuban-American ( a doctor) with experience in the field.

Just saying.

Steven said...

http://reason.org/files/a87d1550853898a9b306ef458f116079.pdf I'd be tempted to come here illegally.

Douglas said...

Steven, apparently so are millions of others. Check out the immigration and paths to citizenship of some other countries too. And then wonder why we are the number one choice to emigrate to.